Stop Chasing Engagement and Start Building Participation

Stop Chasing Engagement and Start Building Participation

Wednesday, May 27, 2026 | Barbara Nicholas, Kaleem Clarkson
Barbara Nicholas
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30 minutes

Are you ready to move beyond surface-level and discover what actually drives participation in a global, distributed workforce?

In this episode of the Return to People podcast, host Kaleem Clarkson welcomes Barbara Nicholas, the CEO of Polly. Barbara’s career path is as unique as her leadership style, having transitioned from an operator in cybersecurity to the CEO role at a SaaS platform essential for modern team collaboration. Leading a fully distributed company that has embraced remote work for over a decade, she brings a wealth of experience in scaling systems and building infrastructure that moves the needle for high-growth organizations.

The conversation dives deep into the evolution of the remote employee experience, moving past simple engagement to a more robust framework of participation. Barbara shares her insights on building deep trust and clear responsibility across global teams spanning from APAC to the US. Interestingly, she draws a powerful parallel between her professional leadership and her work leading search and rescue operations in the Colorado wilderness, where trust and clarity are quite literally matters of life and death.

Trust and clarity don't just build great teams, they save lives.

Throughout the episode, we explore the challenges of managing a lean global team, the ethical implementation of AI in people-centered organizations, and the lessons learned from being a customer before becoming the CEO. Whether you are navigating the complexities of a 100% remote model or looking to refine your team’s engagement strategy, Barbara’s perspective offers a masterclass in high-stakes, high-impact leadership.

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